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  • Nice blossom

    04/26/2017 at 7:14am

    Tanks, but no tanks. Ha ha get it

  • LunaofNight

    04/17/2017 at 1:38am

    Okay… When this whole comic started, I actually loved it. The development of the plot was great, it had a nice timing and never bored us, the characters were great and I was always anxious to see what would happen.

    But now… I’m sorry, but there are things getting on my nerves. First, what everyone’s talking about: Minnie.
    Look, I liked Minnie. She was not my favorite character, but I liked her. I was bothered by how she had feelings for Jr, but she had a sort of “sweetness” to her that I did enjoy and I felt glad when it seemed that the siblings would start to get along (Jr had also grown on me and Mimi? My favorite character).
    Now Minnie’s became a character I hate the most here. Okay, at first her jealousy was interesting and watching this once sweet girl fall could be a *hell* of a plot, something truly great. However, Minnie has been acting as such a bratty bitch that I can’t even enjoy it. And as another one commented before, if her “sweet side” was a facade, how would Heaven allow her presence? Nergal did say she abused him, so it’s not like she kept her darkness controlled like Raven fought to do, she ACTED upon it. So, huge plot hole. Why not make Nergal, having lived with her for so long, being able to notice signs that Jr didn’t as she started to change from what she had once been?

    The writing. I feel like there are pages that exist SOLELY for filler (and to add mysteries without providing answers to the previous ones) and the script is “improvise as we go”. We took a long time to get Chi OUT of the fucking castle and that bar scene added nothing to the plot for me. Fillers can be nice when they are short and you need a breathing from the action, not when they’re used to DELAY action. And as I said, we have tons of questions and almost no answers. Sorry, but when making “mysteries”, you need balance: Reveal some things while adding others, otherwise, everything starts to feel like a mess.

    As for Chi, sorry, she is annoying. Other than her typical “brat princess” and her obsession with Mimi, there is almost no personality whatsoever about her. This crazy love she has could be fun if it wasn’t her only trait. My only curiosity about her is how on Earth she was conceived and why she was able to see Mimi killing Blossom (from BLOSSOM’s point of view. I swear, if she was “made of what was left of Blossom’s essence” or anything of the sort, I’ll scream).
    Not to say people who like her are wrong, this is merely my opinion, please don’t feel offended.

    The good points for me are, the scenarios and drawings, which can be quite impressive at times. Jr’s relationship with Nergal (I enjoy how they work together and their interactions with Mimi were fun), his powers and Mimi’s story and past (Are we ever going to see how and why Blossom would have sex with Him?). The upcoming war still holds me, but whole issue Mandy/Him has to start soon or we may lose interest in that as well.

  • GlitchedEntity

    04/16/2017 at 5:06am

    What….the…..hell…… its been like a month or two since the last page, one word……. WHY!!!

  • KotoKoi13

    04/14/2017 at 8:45pm

    Minnie losing her accent all of a sudden personally makes this SOOO much more interesting. She is losing it!

  • Snartblast

    04/11/2017 at 10:00pm

    You know, I never thought I’d experience a character being written for so long that they suck now but here we are. Yeah, yeah, her personality is a facade or whatever. I’ve been reading this comic for over ten years now, and it was so much better back then, the writing, the art flow, it looked like Bleedman actually cared about what he wrote and not just slapped a page down for money.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion. Coming from a former crazy bleedman fan who tried to draw just like him for a while, who thought he could do no wrong and loved everything he put out there, his most recent stuff is lazy and the bare minimum of effort. You guys can’t seriously be blind to how much of a mess GT is now, right? I’m interested in the characters, but the way in which they have been portrayed over the last year is just disappointing. There’s no creativity anymore.

    And before you say it, I know he also has writers for his comics. He also has the power to overrule them, so we can’t really know what came from who. All I’m saying is, GT is probably not going to recover from the hot mess it is now. I adore Minnie, I always have, but it feels like she actually died long ago and this husk of the character exists in her place.

    • 04/14/2017 at 4:22am

      You know, you’re opinion is welcomed by other fans. It’s nice to know someone else shares popular opinion. Plus, if you want something else (I wouldn’t say better, that depends on the readers) I’ve written an AU. I’d leave a link, but my technology is a little slow on this website. Once I fix that, I’ll give you one. Thanks for your time

  • 04/11/2017 at 7:40pm

    Oh, how I missed these two. I mean, I’ve written about them.. But I missed them.

  • Mudsaur

    04/10/2017 at 10:39am

    Everybody complaining in the comment section. Me? I’m just enjoying the ride and having some laughs along the way.

    Thanks for a new page!


    04/10/2017 at 9:27am

    HAHAHAHAHAHA their reaction is priceless

  • 04/09/2017 at 9:20pm

    Are they trying to make us HATE her as a character? Cause I used to really like her character. She was actually one of the few I cared about in this story. Even Jr. was being a pain in the ass. If she was this horrible person then, why would she be allowed in heaven? Plot hole or does heaven like the bitches? I feel like she is being very OC…

  • 04/09/2017 at 9:16pm

    Oh good…. this is a BRILLIANT idea. Make her lose her SHAKESPEAREAN accent. It’s like Rick losing his sarcasm or the Joker not laughing … really? …. (slow sarcastic clap) …

  • 04/09/2017 at 4:23pm

    On the bottom part, i was laughing my ass out XD

  • painted lord

    04/09/2017 at 1:37pm

    she got so mad that she’s speaking normal

  • Kid_PlayGroUnd

    04/09/2017 at 12:34pm

    I really wish they didn’t retcon Minnie.

  • Aros001

    04/09/2017 at 8:35am

    Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Minnie usually lose her Shakespearean way of speaking when she got angry? When she was under HIM/Mimi’s control, both in lust and in rage she didn’t talk like she normally would, she talked more or less like a normal person. Even in Afterbirth when Drax pissed her off she told him “Cram it!” (now that I think about it, she didn’t really talk much in that story either).

    One could certainly make the argument that this is just being done in laziness but why are people acting like Minnie has never dropped her usual way of speaking before?

    • menamai

      04/09/2017 at 1:41pm

      Because it’s been so long people tend to forget small details. You are right, Minnie did drop her fancy talk when upset, when her true essence was exposed. Nergal said that she hid this unpleasant part of her so deep, that even Heaven wasn’t able to spot it (which I find to be quite a stretch, that’s what happens when you retcon a character). Maybe now that she’s not trying so hard she’ll stop talking like that completely – yay, no more struggling with a fancy dialogue, what a convenient development for the writers. Though it’s still hard to believe that a habit she had for so long would just suddenly disappear.

      • Grids

        04/09/2017 at 2:53pm

        I was editor in those two examples given, so if I may..

        Minnie only lost her way of speaking either through outbursts of brief yet fierce anger (“Cram it!”) or when influenced/influenced by something outside the norm, such as Him. For perspective, after Junior snapped her out of her stupor during the latter situation, Minnie retained her way of speaking despite the rather uncomfortable duress of the experience.

        This situation here seems unlike those other two scenarios. The “Shuddup” hardens back to the Afterbirth example but she continues speaking normally afterwards which is wholly inconsistent. Perhaps there’s a proper reason for this; however myself and others have said before Minnie has taken YEARS to speak again and we thought it was due to NEK not being able to replicate her speech pattern.

        Now that she has spoken here and abandoned this rather defining trait of hers, it looks like those beliefs were true.

        • Aros001

          04/09/2017 at 4:01pm

          I suppose you do make fair points on the examples I brought up (given you were the editor I’ll put more weight on what you say on this comic than others, as is only fair).

          Honestly my theory about this whole thing, which still makes Minnie look good or at least doesn’t destroy her character, is that while she’s always had these darker impulses and sides to herself, she chose not to act on them, thus the Minnie in earlier chapters is still how Minnie really is and not an act like some people are saying. But after feeling abandoned by Junior in favor of Mimi, Minnie’s depression and anger is getting the better of her and thus why she’s letting herself go to darker places mentally.

          Could be wishful thinking, I fully admit, but like I’ve said before, I like to hope for the best when it comes to things I like and not just that the people involved are stupid and going to ruin it completely. Heck if you ever go over to Comic Vine you’ll see me defending the DCEU movies (well, two of them anyway) and I’m well aware of their problems.

          • cheeseandfries

            04/09/2017 at 5:22pm

            Wasn’t Minnie in a similar state back in Afterbirth? She was heartbroken after Junior left, and from what I remember ( do correct me if I’m wrong), her usual dialogue was still consistent despite the mental pain she was experiencing throughout the entire comic, not just a one time thing. Just a thought I had on the matter.

            However, AB is no longer canon. I don’t think we can rely on that comic anymore. Let’s just hope for the best that Nek will resume her old vocabulary in the next page.

            But it wouldn’t be smart for Nek to remove that exclusive part of Minnie. He better have a REALLY good explanation. He’s already in a tough spot as it is. Poor guy, lel.

          • Aros001

            04/09/2017 at 6:41pm

            To CHEESEANDFRIES, yeah, looking back now, though Minnie was mostly silent throughout Afterbirth, the few speaking lines she had (save for “Cram it!” and her and Junior’s Nergalese conversation) were in her usual manner of speaking.

          • Grids

            04/09/2017 at 8:23pm

            Muito lel
            I always had it so that if she lost her manner of speaking it was for a very dire reason and it indicated that shit was going down. To remove it altogether is lessening her.
            If people think of Minnie, the one thing that’s likely to come to mind besides “moody zombie” is her speech pattern.
            I HOPE it comes back.

          • red bear

            04/12/2017 at 4:58am

            I’m sorry, but no, psychologically speaking, it’s almost impossible for someone who’s got very distinct speech pattern from the beginning of their consciousness life suddenly starting speaking in another way. It’s like losing your native-born accent – it needs bloody YEARS, possibly decades.
            In short, it’s unrealistic. And psychologically unrealistic things is THE worst thing of all bad writing.
            The only way you can do it “realistically” (notice quotation marks), and it’s a very cheap & lazy way, is to play bad old “split personality” card, which in reality actually happens so very rarely that you can literally count it on your fingers (and possibly toes).

  • Shadow Knight Destroyer

    04/09/2017 at 5:43am

    Ok, I think she just made them into b******.

  • CrazyEd

    04/09/2017 at 1:09am

    What happened to her taking like Shakespear?

  • Skully

    04/09/2017 at 12:31am

    Doesn’t Minnie have partial control over Jr’s parasite thing? (I honestly forget what to call it and don’t care enough to look back) Like shown in ‘What About Mimi’?

    Why can’t she make them put the tank away by just. doing it.

  • Skully

    04/09/2017 at 12:18am

    I mean Minnie’s personality was about as strong as wet paper to begin with but now she might as well be Chi 2.0

    • Snartblast

      04/11/2017 at 10:07pm

      Honestly, I liked her a lot initially and was excited to see where her story went (way back when it all began). She had a certain charm about her, and I was hopeful we’d get to hear her side of the story or perhaps learn more about her at any point. Instead, she had exactly one cool fight with her powers and gave them over to her brother and then it just…fell into typical cliche’ action LOOK AT MY BIG SPIKES AND TEETH AND EYES crap.

      I’m a huge fan of eldritch beings so Minnie’s powers intrigued me, but I agree that she could’ve been given so much more. She had potential, once. Now she’s become the Chi/Ginger/Angsty bratty bleedman subtype and it’s lame.

      • miracle2415

        04/13/2017 at 9:04pm

        Same. I got into this because of Minnie in the first place. And I’ve been on her side even when she started to act bitchy, but if her sweet personality turned out to be a lie, I can’t read this anymore.

        I just hope Minnie just lays down what needs to be said because I’m getting tired of this bullshit.

  • 04/08/2017 at 10:56pm

    tanks and roses wheres roses ????

    • 4N1M3 FR34K

      04/08/2017 at 11:11pm

      Look at Minnie’s outfit for 2 seconds.

      • 04/12/2017 at 3:22pm

        oh….i found it.from the title i thought that junior going to give her a rose or something ?? but that’s okay


    04/08/2017 at 10:55pm

    Oh look, Bleed and NEK decided to be fucking lazy and make Minnie lose even more personality that she already lost with those idiots and made her talk normal.

  • menamai

    04/08/2017 at 10:40pm

    She… lost her Shakespearean way of talking? That’s not the Minnie I know. No matter how little she talks nowadays, she should still retain her speaking habits. Next time try harder. 🙁

    • Lerianis

      04/08/2017 at 10:54pm

      Actually, that might have been an act. Remember that the Nergalite has been telling Junior “Listen, I was a part of the b**ch… that whole “Sweetness and light” thing is a big old act!”
      Minnie might have finally decided to stop with the acting and just lay things on the line.

      The issue is how Junior is going to react to finding out that Minnie is not that much different from Mandy in the real world when she is kept from something she wants (i.e. Junior’s love in a non-platonic way).

      • Santessen

        04/08/2017 at 11:37pm

        I never thought about it, but you could be right. While we refer to Minnie’s method of speaking as “Shakespearean”, it’s really closer to what you would have later coming out of the mouths of people like the Puritans (technically the two would have been concurrent timewise, but “Puritan”speech is a bit plainer, and freer of idioms and general fancy talk.) Given the other connotations that Puritan has (lack of emotion, about as down on lust and pleasure as you can get) it actually makes a pretty good front for covering things like lust for your brother and for power.

      • Skully

        04/09/2017 at 12:27am

      • Miscellaneous

        04/09/2017 at 9:51pm

        On that note about minnie deceiving junior and being a total scumbag. She knew her father was nergal jr. Why didn’t she tell her brother. People always say hes an idiot or an asshole. Nobody ever tells him anything. Heel he hasn’t even figured out grim isn’t his father. He also doesn’t know he is an abortion.

        • Miscellaneous

          04/09/2017 at 9:53pm

          Also did everyone forget she has tried to rape him before.

  • Last7

    04/08/2017 at 10:39pm

    I think he needs the tank, Nergal

    • floricel_112

      04/11/2017 at 10:02am

      I think he needs a bunker.

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