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NEK: Run Jewel RUN. Joking she’ll be probably fine…probably. At least Demo got that milkshake…so all in all good day.

  • MrSupernatural001

    04/07/2017 at 2:07am

    Ugh, this is getting boring, and making me sleepy; and I have MAJOR sleep issues!

  • 10/02/2016 at 9:25am

    Who’s the devil girl like Mimi?

  • 09/15/2016 at 1:49am

    Okay. New character, who may or may not serve a purpose. Well, ATHDLG informed me, that he didn’t like the tone of my justifications, on the last page. Any of you, who want to give a review of them, or even know what I’m talking about, go ahead. I can’t change your opinions. Well, if you want an even further in depth explanation, I’d be happy to give one, once I’ve received a review. If it’s the whole “I’m still writing FanFiction” thing… I don’t JUST write Grim Tales FanFics. But, before I can get to the official stuff, I gotta finish up that. But, I’ve actually had an EVEN STUPIDER IDEA. After all this is said and done, and I finally get my alternate universe drawn, and made official… Here the STUPID part… I’m going to ask all of you guys, if you have any connections to any TV networks, to make a Grim Tales TV series. I know this is stupid, because I’m probably the only one, who wants to see it. So, I will wait, until ATHDLG can review, but I will still write my FanFics, until such I get my alternate universe, made official. Plus, I’m a fucking greedy bastard, so (plus since I’m the only person who wants to see the TV series) it will include a number of MY changes, and may include some of the original. If I manage to get one of you, who does have a connection with (I’ll really take any network, but since the series Grim Tales is based off of, comes from this Network I think it would be suitable to have it here) Cartoon Network, to join my (completely one-sided) cause, I hope we’ll be successful. Plus, if we are successful, we’ll have to remove anything that didn’t originally belong to the CN, which will piss off the entire fucking fan base. So, I’ll provide a more in depth justifications comment, as soon a as I get a review. From, anyone really, but I’ll still wait on ATHDLG. He’s the best at commenting. Au Reviore

    • 10/07/2016 at 1:52am

      You know that can never happen right? You’re better off trying to find a group of animators and voice actors and make like a cartoon series on Youtube or something along the lines of that. I’m not sure why you want this of all things to become a tv show but who am I to tell you what to do with your life. Again though, your best bet would be the Youtube route (or some other site where you could upload your episodes) and gathering some animators to do this for you, if you’re willing to drop money and go full memes on this, you’ll get some decent or even above-average animators/artists. That would be a huge project so I’d think long and hard before investing a large part of you’re life on “Grim Tales” or whatever you decide to call it.

  • boomerlover8

    09/12/2016 at 2:44pm

    The hell did I miss?

  • Greybackous

    09/10/2016 at 4:20pm

    Well sound like someone has been watching danganronpa recently.

  • 09/10/2016 at 3:10pm

    I’ve lost all faith in this train wreck of a comic. Ever since chi came to this bar 3 completely retarded things happend, ben 10 characters that have absolutely no business being in this comic come out of nowhere and add nothing to the plot, then fucking jewel becomes canon which makes the story even harder to put together and adds tons of extra bullshit that MUST be worked out now, and poor walker got rehashed into some odd fusion between the original walker and i guess ember. And now jewel and chi are going to drag this even longer now with an excuse for bleed to draw more of his lolicon fantasy garbage. The only way this comic can come back is if they put a competent editor back on and get rid of NEK or just completely rebute this shit from where chi was introduced and get her the fuck out of here.

  • bendoublebeta123

    09/09/2016 at 4:53pm


  • Drunkefox

    09/08/2016 at 6:24pm

    are they still at the fucking bar? i understand that this is a very low budget thing, and its more of a spare time project and i shouldnt bitch about it but jesus, none of these comics are moving forward, sugarbits has been on that fucking dinner table for the last year and a half, PPGD has been on that winter place since february invader zim is freaking dead and now Grim adventures seem to be getting stuck on one thing too…

  • MR king

    09/08/2016 at 1:39pm

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhh its getting interesting

  • 09/08/2016 at 11:46am

    I feel sorry for Jewel, still Chi’s really cute

  • numa430

    09/08/2016 at 7:38am

    Why does that bartender next to Jewel look like me?
    What does this mean that i am pimping out my own daughter like this??

    • silvercover

      09/08/2016 at 7:43am

      well I guess bleed may have changed jewel’s origins and thats her father?

      maybe jewel is really just another demon that just looks close/related to mimi’s race.

      • numa430

        09/08/2016 at 8:09am

        I might need to ask Bleed tomorrow about this.
        This is hilarious lol.

        • silvercover

          09/08/2016 at 8:11am

          please do, so we can finally put a rest to a lot of these assumptions.

        • Lolwutpear_126

          09/09/2016 at 6:57pm

          It’s more hilarious to see how Jewel’s being fucked and sold around by male fantasies.

          • Groverman62

            09/09/2016 at 8:52pm

            You have very poor manners

    • Aros001

      09/09/2016 at 8:51pm

      She could still have the same origins but this guy is like an adoptive father or guardian. Or hell, he could just literally be her boss. Yeah they look a bit similar but it is still the Underworld were demons are not uncommon. Having the guy look like Numa could just be a subtle reference that he was the one who originally created her.

  • Valencia

    09/08/2016 at 5:14am

    I made this account to have my say. WHO THE HELL CARES THAT IT’S STILL FOCUSING ON THE DAMN BAR? This is Bleedman’s story, NOT yours. If he feels the need to focus on a particular scene or a specific character, it’s HIS choice. It’s very likely whatever happens here will have a large part to play later on, and it’s incredibly selfish for any reader to bitch and moan or demand that he cut a scene short, just because you’re tired of it.

    • Lolwutpear_126

      09/09/2016 at 6:54pm

      And yet I’m gonna bitch. It’s in my right to do so. Whatcha gonna do ’bout it, sweetiepie?

    • Teekl

      09/10/2016 at 9:42pm

      Yes, it is Bleedman’s story, and he has the right to do whatever he wants with it, just like his readers have the right to bitch and moan as much as they want. Bleedman doesn’t read the comments anyway, so what does it matter if people are complaining? Why do you care?

      Also, I notice that a lot of people who defend Bleed assume that all negative comments are just mindless, thoughtless bitching. Not true. If you’ll go back and read some of the comments, you’ll find that some of it is well-thought-out, intelligible, valid criticism. It’s not just about being “tired of it” or “demanding that he cut a scene short” just on the reader’s whim. Many of these commentators are giving opinions on what they believe would actually make a better story, and one that’s more enjoyable for EVERYONE. How is that selfish? Most of the readers are asking for the same thing: that we leave this transitional bar and get to the main plot points that we all want to see and which Bleed himself has been building up to for years now.

    • Goldtaills

      09/16/2016 at 8:01pm

      Ever written screen plays before? If not, people who are taught about writing screen plays are told to never write exposition scenes in cafes,bars, or diners because it is boring to look at and thus disengaging. While this isn’t a screenplay, this is a medium that has a way of visually showing us the story which makes this scene just about as engaging as watching an exposition scene in a movie, show, or play in this same scene. Thus, while a good number of people are complaining about the same or similar things, they have good reason to when it comes to the bar.
      Chi, from what I gather isn’t a character problem so much as her context to the story. Her existence is introduced fairly late into the story with very little to add onto it as we can see so far. She has a bond with Mimi, may be a daughter of blossom, and is undoubtedly a daughter of Aku. She wants to find Mimi and so her goal is established and may provide future conflict with Grim Jr and maybe Minnie Mandy. Outside of that, we have little else. Compare that to Grim Jr. and Minnie Mandy, both have grown much from previous ordeals and now Grim Jr. is beginning to stand up to his mother and Minnie is still dealing with her feeling for Jr. and how to deal with the presence of Mimi. Then they have to eventually deal with Chi on top of that with whatever their parents are doing. Compared to that Chi’s story seems small and doesn’t even hold a candle to that of Jr. or Minnie. Story wise, it makes no sense.

  • Aros001

    09/08/2016 at 4:37am

    Weird thought that just occurred to me, but since I’m still going with the theory that Jewel is Junior and Mimi’s daughter from the future, it is kind of funny to imagine the different reasons for why Jewel is blushing on this page, given that she does seem to already know who Chi is. I imagine it’d be pretty weird to be hit on by your mother’s (presumably) ex-girlfriend, especially since I wouldn’t be too surprised if Chi was Jewel’s godmother in the future. Then again it’s also something funny and something I wouldn’t put past Bleedman to do, that Jewel grew up with a crush on the future Chi and getting the look from the woman’s past self that she is now is kind of causing the brain to get a bit steamy. All speculation at this point but it is fun to theorize what’s going to happen in this story.

    • athdlg

      09/08/2016 at 4:42am

      Jewel is there probably because the pairing will be Grim Jr. and Mimi but since Chi needs someone to hook up with Jewel will be the gal to be with Chi. The original creator of Jewel, Numa, had a marriage partner for Jewel already but since full creativity is on Bleedman with this one, anything can happen.

      • Aros001

        09/08/2016 at 5:08am

        Yeah, that’s kind of what I figured, though I wonder how the incest plot with Minnie will go in that case. Strange as it may be to say, Minnie’s feelings for Junior are one of my favorite conflicts in the story. I’m not exactly in support of incest, mainly because of how badly it can mess up a kid born from incest, but I like seeing how the two try to deal with the situation, as it clearly is an uncomfortable one and they don’t know what to do about it or even what they want to do about it. Interestingly enough there is another small Grim comic on Deviantart that feature Jewel as a character, called Grim Tales: New Generations, and in that story, though he is married to Mimi, Junior did have a kid with Minnie too, and possibly a few others as well, given that he seems to take after his mother in that aspect. I’m assuming the kid, Junnie, was born due to some sort of ritual or spell or something given that he is not malformed in any way like would normally happen to born from incest.

        • athdlg

          09/08/2016 at 7:13am

          Ick. While I admit that it’s interesting for drama, at the same time I hate it so much. Since it’s already there though, hopefully it’s resolved.

  • athdlg

    09/08/2016 at 4:28am

    Sigh. I wish Jewel had given Chi the nastiest glare instead of that pitiful stare.

    • silvercover

      09/08/2016 at 8:24am

      pitiful stare? all I see is an embarrassed face with that blush.

    • Santessen

      09/08/2016 at 11:42pm

      That’s pitiful? Looks more like stark staring terror to me.

  • Sinless

    09/08/2016 at 3:57am

    I like how the comic is going so far, and Chi’s character is starting to grow on me.

  • B0XofR0X

    09/08/2016 at 3:33am

    “Nice BIG tip” well then…. okay.

  • chimichanga

    09/08/2016 at 3:00am

    Yo, everyone. I can’t really tell you how to live your life, but if all the previous pages are any indication, you guys are going to complain about this page like a screeching fucking pack of animals. If I’m right, all you’re going to do is bitch and moan about the comic. Frankly, if that’s the primary thing you’re going to do, I’d recommend saving your energy and not waste your time reading it anymore. That’s really the most effective way to get something in a creative field to go away: indifference speaks louder than hate a vast majority of the time when it comes to creative stuff.

    This is going to be a bit of a laundry list, but these are examples of the consistent bitching I’ve been seeing:

    “Bleedman should do what I want him to do! The world should cater to ME!”

    A lot of people are saying things that boil down to this, so I’ll start here, and I’ll be pretty quick to go to this as my thesis: no one cares what you think, especially not Bleedman. Ultimately he will do what he wants to do. He’s a grown-ass man and he can make his own decisions. More nuanced forms of this first statement follow:

    “Bwaaahh. Grim Tales used to be so much better! It sucks now!”

    If you’re reading GT for the story then that’s your mistake; the actual story ended years ago. We’re all just along for the ride at this point. If you find you no longer enjoy reading the comic, either find another comic to read or make your own. If entertainment doesn’t fuckin’ entertain you, why bother with it? To have a punching bag? If that’s what gets you your jollies, then so be it, but then why ask for anything to be CHANGED? That ruins the “trainwreck” aspect. It’s mixed messages.

    “Why can’t we go back to Junior and Minnie?”

    Who? The protagonists who coincidentally are also the most annoying characters in the comic? The two whose total number of significant actions you can count on your fingers? I know I sure want to see Junior whine about everything and get attacked by girls because I need more bland harem anime protagonist shit in my life! (I don’t, actually. And the worst thing is, is he doesn’t even have a real harem. Like if Shinji Ikari were more of a bitch and also dead.)

    “Everything wuz good until Chi showed up, she ruined the comic!!”

    Personally, I think the comic improved with Chi’s introduction. She’s the only interesting character aside from Mimi so far. She has an active motivation, and a justified central theme. Junior and Minnie both have confusing senses of morality when you look at them for long enough. The two of them behave strangely as children of Mandy and Grim. Where did they get their attitudes and personalities that they would have all this angst in the first place? None of that is ever explained or touched on in a way that makes their activities interesting in the first place.

    Even from the very beginning of the comic, they had their strange personality hooks just -there-, arising out of nothing but Bleedman’s whimsy. That’s a key point: Bleedman had an idea, and just let it go. The comic the way it is now is and has always been just an extension of that, and remarkably, he’s learned a tiny bit along the way: Chi and Mimi, unlike Junior and Minnie, have established reasons and backstories making it clear why they act the way they do. Mimi was a tortured child, Chi is an extension of Aku. These things are clear and motivate these two on a basic level: Mimi is torn between experiencing kindness and committing atrocity, and Chi doesn’t give two shits if she commits atrocity as long as she gets attention, mostly from Mimi herself.

    Let’s go back to the earlier point, though, because it bears repeating: Why are Mandy’s children so angsty and torn and full of apparent moral struggle when their household has been absent of any of that with which to begin? Grim has never shown any apparent proactive parenting, and Mandy would advise being horrible. We’d need a lot of exploration to find out why they care about things the way they do. What possible resolution could the two of them use now to justify them remaining the protagonists instead of this apparent shift to the more active and energetic Chi?

    But hey, let’s forget about any specific criticism at this point, let’s get back to that “please cater to me” attitude. if you honestly think you’re doing the world a favor by trying to reach out to Bleedman and tell him what to do, think again. You’re the audience; leave the creating to the creator. You have no right to tell anyone what to do or how to do it; you are not entitled to someone else’s work.

    I’d like to mention that I’m an artist too, and understand what it’s like to be on the receiving end of this, in Bleedman’s position. An artist who is told on a daily basis that I should stop doing what I want to do because some chucklefuck stranger on the internet disagrees with my art.

    So I get Bleedman just doing what he wants despite his audience being displeased. I get it so well that reading through these complaints on every single page is insulting. And I would be very surprised if Bleedman isn’t dragging this out just to fuck with you. I would not put it past him, having dealt with people like you myself.

    Anyway, I expect this to get either outright ignored or have its message ignored and mindlessly shit on, but then again, that’s all the better, I suppose. A lot of the people here really do seem to just want a punching bag in this comic than assess what is good and bad about the comic objectively to offer real criticism. This post? It’s been an attempt at just that, which unfortunately means mainly having to deal with the extensive bias that has been built up over the years by the so-called “long-time fans”.

    I basically have to shit on a bunch of people’s opinions just to try and get a fairer view of the comic to assess its value. And, well, it’s not great, but just regularly telling Bleedman he’s fucking up without much discussion on what could honestly help what he’s already got isn’t really productive either. So whatever.

    • nomfish

      09/08/2016 at 3:52am

      You can have your opinions too, its perfectly fine. Though i don’t agree with some of it, i can see why you feel the way you do on certain aspects. Every artist should be critiqued in my book. Even when they dont want it, its going to happen.
      But people shouldn’t be shat on for having there own idea. Its nice to see people put thought into what they say and not whine about it.
      It would be better to just ignore the comic, i definitely agree on that.

    • Aros001

      09/08/2016 at 4:26am

      Look, obviously I can’t speak for everyone, one reason being that I do still like this comic and have no problem with Chi, but I do have to respectfully disagree with some of your points, one of the big ones being Junior and Minnie, whom are interesting characters in their own rights and do have personalities and conflicts we’ve grown to care for about them. If the incestuous feelings of Minnie towards Junior and how the two are dealing with it isn’t compelling enough, we have seen these characters grow and change throughout the story. Junior really has not whined since he saw his sister murdered. He’s matured quite a bit, both in power and personality, as evidenced by when he stood up to his mother to protect Mimi (which I think is honestly my favorite scene in the story). And Minnie has clearly gone through a big personality change that we want to see explored more and how everything that’s been happening will affect Junior and Minnie’s relationship.

      I have no problem with Chi as a main character, but part of the problem is that she has not interacted with any of the other main characters in the story, outside of HIM and Jeff for just a few pages each. All the characters she’s been interacting with and everything she’s been doing is to help the plot move forward, but at a very slow pace. We are in a transition part of the story. We are on our way to the stuff we want to see, like Chi finally meeting Junior and Minnie or The Elder Council meeting where Mandy and HIM are stating their cases against each other. The current slower pace during those parts of the story would be fine, welcomed even, but it’s making the story right now feel like its dragging on because nothing that big is really happening, just setting up the things that will happen later.

      Obviously I have to cut Bleedman a little slack. He’s releasing this one page at a time so of course the story can’t move forward too fast but it does get a little tiring waiting for the stuff you either know is going to happen or the stuff you want to see happen. Yes some of the complaints he gets are ridiculous and given that this is Bleedman’s own story he should he allowed to do whatever the hell he wants the way he sees fit, but not all criticism is unjustified. There are areas where Bleedman has improved and areas where he’s gone down and pointing out flaws or problems with the way things are currently going is fine as long as the people pointing them out are not being dicks about it.

      One last thing and it is about stories in general. We people read or watch a story and do get really invested into the characters and what happens to them, that shows how good of a job the author has done. Wanting to see more of Junior and Minnie and want the story to improve a bit shows how much the fans do care about the characters Bleedman and Griddles created and the comic as a whole. That’s the thing about criticism: its constructive so long as the people criticizing do care about the actual product and are not being assholes about it. So, are a lot of the complaints being unreasonable and unfair? More than likely. Does that invalidate all of the criticisms? No, because people honestly do care about Grim Tales and think Bleedman is doing fine but could use some improvement.

    • Biostar

      09/08/2016 at 7:37am

      I stopped reading when you said Chi improved the comic. That tells me everything about your tastes in characters. Disgusting.

      • silvercover

        09/08/2016 at 8:18am

        chi’s character is fine, the problem comes from bleed not really relegating enough focus to other characters, as well as his whimsical interest that makes him deviate from the main plot.

        • bendoublebeta123

          09/09/2016 at 4:39pm

          Wow biostar just wow.Honestly you don’t deserve a decent response for your comment????????

    • Sigment

      09/08/2016 at 8:47am

      I think what bothers me most about this rant is that you seem to honestly believe that GT has, from start to finish, had its story planned out by Bleed and only Bleed. You are, with all due respect, very wrong to think so, sir. GT used to have a writer on board that had a clear idea of where to go, and shot down ideas from Bleed (including Chi as a character) that felt like a genuinely bad decision to them. It wasn’t until Bleedman’s “whimsy” took the reins that the complaints really started.

      Mind you, I am not saying you’re wrong to enjoy the comic as it is. You are entitled to that opinion, whether I disagree or not. I merely ask that you respect that we have not-so-unreasonable motives behind our complaints as well. Well… Some of them.

    • Zig-Zag

      09/08/2016 at 9:04am

      You seem to be making a lot of these assumptions based on the idea that everybody complaining about this comic hates it, or something, but I’ll touch on that in this next bit.

      “If you’re reading GT for the story then that’s your mistake; the actual story ended years ago. We’re all just along for the ride at this point.”

      See, here’s the problem: This ain’t Sugar Bits; the story is far from over. In fact, if memory serves correctly, everything that’s happened in this comic thus far has only taken place over the course of a few short weeks. There’s still a ton of unresolved issues that Bleed CLEARLY intends to eventually address. However, if someone’s going to create a piece of work with an actual story, then they’d better damn well stick with it until the bitter end. Deviating from the plot just for the hell of it serves to do nothing but frustrate many of the readers. There’s nothing wrong with having a filler arc every now and then, but the problem here is that Chi is the one thing keeping this story from advancing, and yet here she is, dickin’ around. This doesn’t qualify as filler, and it barely even qualifies as exposition. That being said, given the way this page was set up, it’s possible her talk with Jewel will actually reveal some interesting tidbits about the story, especially since she looks like the child of Mimi and Junior, but at this point it’s not even a very safe assumption to make.

      On that note, I promise you Chi’s character itself isn’t the reason why people despise her. It’s the fact that, despite having so many pages (and even an entire chapter) dedicated solely to her, plus being the focal point of some of this comic’s most dicey bits of fan-service, she’s brought absolutely nothing of value to the story thus far. Until she actually does something, which is hopefully happening soon, she’ll continue to be seen as nothing more than a waste of space.

      Long story short, this comic has done an expert job of wasting time over the years, and people are getting more and more antsy. Once things start to trudge along again, I guarantee you the number of negative comments here will decrease significantly. Go look at PPGD’s comments and tell me just how many people are shitting on that comic, then compare that to this one. You’ll find the difference in numbers is hilariously large.

      • Darius14

        09/08/2016 at 10:29pm

        well thats not exactly true. chi brought a couple new plots to this story. like the mystery connection she has with blossom. how will she react to mimi’s unpowered form, how will she react to minnie and junior?

        • Aros001

          09/09/2016 at 1:34am

          Exactly. And that is the stuff we want to see. The problem is that it is taking a while to get there and not much is happening in the meantime. Maybe some interesting stuff will come up from Chi talking to Jewel but so far Chi has not been given anyone to work off of other than minor characters.

    • bendoublebeta123

      09/09/2016 at 4:41pm

      dude i agree with you in some aspects and how long did it take yu to type all that????????????????

    • Lolwutpear_126

      09/09/2016 at 8:06pm

      @chimichanga: hoo boy, it’s clear you’re some butthurt artist. Hey, if you can’t stand critique on your art, why seek for attention? As if anyone cares about your trampled artsy ego.

      Anyway, on to your laundry list.

      1) So far, I have seen nobody explicitely state anything along the lines of “Bleedman should do what I want him to do! The world should cater to ME!”, so I don’t know where you are getting this from. You probably just pulled it out of your own ass to make yourself look slick. Most fans/readers don’t expect Bleed to cater to their tastes and wishes at all. They’re here because they’re invested in either the characters, the story, or both.

      2) Grim Tales also USED to be much better. Just re-read the first six chapters. They introduce readers to a set of characters with interesting backgrounds (Junior being the son of the Grim Reaper, Minnie being the daughter of Nergal Junior and therefore not really belonging since she is an extramarital child), each with their own flaws (Minnie feels left out and not loved, despite her doing her best to excel at many times, Junior is suffering from his parents’s expectations and has an inferiority complex, making him jealous at his seemingly ‘perfect’ sister Minnie). The story line is being set out right from the beginning: Minnie is introduced as a ragdoll, but she previously wasn’t and Junior explains it to the reader in one giant flashback. The pages are coherent and follow each other up neatly and even side characters such as Oogie Boogie get some nice spotlight, fitting into the story in their own way. What’s not to like? What do we have now? We’re stuck following a spoiled brat who seems to be on a mission to save her princess-in-need, but who is now clearly fawning over an abruptly introduced character who originally came to be from a fanboy’s mind as the child of Grim Junior and Mimi. Think this over in a rational way for once. How does this in any way make sense? How did Chi dressing up as Elsa from Frozen add anything to the story? How did her dressing up as Slave Leia add anything to the story? How does her sitting in this bar for about half a year now add anything to the story? Could you explain this to me without going fully artsy emo mode?

      3) This page actually goes against Chi having an active motivation for going after Mimi. Look at the last three panels. It becomes painfully clear that Chi is not at all in a hurry to go ‘rescue her beloved Mimi’. She looks more like she’d have Jewel eat our her p*ssy by throwing some bucks at her. With this page in mind, would you seriously call Chi’s love for Mimi still honest? I personally think Chi has more of a fetish with red skinned demonish looking girls. Also, she would have left this bar ages ago if matters really were that urgent. As for Junior and Minnie’s motivations, honestly, did you even READ the first six chapters of this comic, the arc in which Minnie’s origins are being explained? Or are you just tagging along thinking your artsy ego can overbluff your actual insight into this comic and the world it’s shaped so far? AGain, Junior acts the way he does because he’s a very uncertain kid with many doubts. He knows very well that one day he will have to follow in his father’s footsteps as the new Grim Reaper. Especially the first two chapters of the first arc of this comic explain that very well. Minnie tries to excel at dancing and acting for she is trying to get her parents’s approval since she also knows very well that she actually doesn’t belong in the family because of her Nergal heritage.

      4) Junior and Minnie are currently on a standstill in their relationship to each other, since both are aware of their feelings to eachother. Minnie genuinely loves Junior and sees him as more than a brother. Junior is now also aware of this and feels uncomfortable, especially since he outright refused to return her feelings right at the end of chapter five and the beginning of chapter six of the first arc. They both don’t know what to do to actually resolve the situation, nor can they really avoid eachother either because they’re siblings living in the same household. In Afterbirth Junior actually leaves his home for some time as to get away from this unease, leaving Minnie to fall into the hands of Boogieman, since she thinks Junior has finally deserted her. Now explain to me how Chi has actually any real motivation to her existence in this comic aside from her possibly being a reincarnation of the Powerpufgirl Blossom? She’s basically a crazy preteen lesbo chasing after some idealized fetish fantasy which comes in the shape of redskinned demon girls covered in furry Santa clothes. Oh, and she likes Frozen and Psy’s ‘Gangnam Style’. She has served more as some sort of exaggerated caricature which is mainly used to dish up some lukewarm popculture references to the readers.

      5) There will always people who will disagree with your art. And hey, maybe some of their criticisms may actually be valid! You just gotta have the discipline to set aside your inflated ego for a moment. But from experience I know many artists would rather get into a fit about how much they’re disrespected and write down a whole rant about one or the other nillywilly thing they heard that hurt their sensitive soul. Day after day after day. Filling their DeviantArt page with nothing but journal pages on how they’re not getting the views they want and about everyone apparently treating them unfairly. Well, they can be special snowflakes all they want, it won’t be getting them much attention in the long run.

      • Groverman62

        09/09/2016 at 8:56pm

        Pear didn’t you tell us once that harsh criticisms are what made you give up on being an artist yourself?

        • Lolwutpear_126

          09/10/2016 at 7:15pm

          True, but that’s mainly because I didn’t believe enough in myself. I was a coward for giving up, but I also realised that I just wasn’t cut out to be a professional artist. Besides, it wouldn’t earn me shit anyway. You don’t do studies for fun, but to prepare for a job which can provide you with an income to live from. It’s exactly because a great deal of students think that studies should be fun, that most of them fall out after a couple of years or end up with diploma’s which aren’t worth shit. Most people do their job not for fun, but because they need money to live from, afterall. Got a fun job? Great, but then you’re probably an exception to the rule. Of course nobody likes getting harsh criticism, but as I pointed out in my previous reply, sometimes it’s also valuable to consider your audience’s critique, because they may actually be raising a point or two which might be true, something you as an artist could learn from to improve yourself. There’s also a difference between criticism and insults, and I mainly suffered from the latter back then. Therefor I greatly support constructive criticism, but Bleed and NEK seem to have reached a point where the audience even doesn’t seem to matter anymore. And yes, then things turn sour. I even dare say that NEK’s keeping us in this damn bar on purpose, just to shit around with us. It’s their attitude which pisses me and many others off, and yeah, then criticism takes a turn for the worse and frustrations start to surface.
          Anyway, there are enough reasons to be unhappy with the current state of this comic, be it art or not. I can understand Bleed wants to deviate from the plot and he clearly likes drawing Chi. But he could make tons of drawings of Chi and post them on his DeviantArt page just as well while keeping this comic focused and coherent. A comic isn’t just about pictures following up on each other, it’s also about a story you want to tell to your audience. What is Bleed exactly telling us right now? One basic rule of writing a story is that you have to write what you would find interesting as a reader yourself, not what’s fun to do as a writer. I mean, you can do the latter, but then you aren’t really writing for an audience, but mainly for yourself and your own fun. The trick is to find a balance between these two, and Bleed/NEK seem to be clearly failing at that as off right now.

    • 09/10/2016 at 3:37pm

      dude if the comments bug you so much that you have to write a monologue of meaningless dribble defending Bleedman then just take what your projecting and apply it to yourself and ignore the comments that piss you off. But your either retarded or really fucking dense if you think chi added anything to the story other than prolonging it to the extreme. Also Bleed dosent even look at these comments and even if he did he’s a big boy and dosent need you to defend him.

    • Teekl

      09/12/2016 at 3:41am

      Most people have already offered rebuttals for this laundry list, but I wanted to say something specifically regarding the characterization of Junior and Minnie:

      I don’t think it’s unrealistic or two-dimensional or forced in any way, shape or form, for several reasons:

      First of all, as people before me have remarked, the struggles that Junior and Minnie go through morally are intriguing. While I don’t approve of incest, it makes for a compelling component of the drama; and, like it or not, these kind of attractions DO happen. It’s only natural for there to be weird tension because of it, and interesting to see how these kids deal with it. And they struggle because, unlike their parents, they do have a sense of right and wrong.

      Which leads me to my next point, that it’s not completely unreasonable for those kids to have their own ideas about morals, in spite of their parents. True, Mandy would encourage all things horrible, and Grim is a pretty passive father. But every person’s personality is a combination of both Nature AND Nurture; not to mention, Grim isn’t even the real father of Junior or Minnie. The kids easily could’ve had less evil influences on their lives even if their parents were horrible. If, say, they happened to have more relatives like Uncle Jack and Aunt Sally, that could explain some of the good influence. I know there’s a fan theory out there that Bonejangles is also Grim’s brother, and he’s not that bad a guy. PLUS, I can think of plenty of other compelling characters who had evil parents but who still pulled out with a sense of morality, even if it was a struggling sense of morality, ie. Raven from Teen Titans, Marceline from Adventure Time, Artemis from Young Justice, Baelfire and Henry from Once Upon A Time, Quasimodo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Rapunzel from Tangled, the list goes on and on, the point being that “Good kid, Evil Parent” is a classic trope that’s been used time and time again, and the kid is usually stronger and all the more compelling as a character for it.

      All in all, I don’t think it’s so unreasonable for Junior and Minnie to have a sense of morality. But, you are entitled to your opinion and if you find it more entertaining to watch Chi and Mimi, that’s your right, and all I can do is respectfully disagree.

  • Aros001

    09/08/2016 at 3:00am

    Alright, now even I have to admit the basic stalemate of the plot is getting irritating. I thought the appearance of Walker would push things forward so that Chi would go to the Ghost Zone to get to Castle Grimskull but now she’s going to sit down and talk with ANOTHER that has only just been introduced instead of seeing what the other main characters are doing. Like I’ve said before, the slow pacing isn’t the problem. The problem is that the slow pace is happening during a transitional part of the story. We are on our way to the stuff we want to see but it’s taking forever to get there.

    Sigh. Oh well. At least there’s fanfiction to keep us entertained in the meantime (fanfiction of fanfiction, strangely enough).

  • Horohoro

    09/08/2016 at 2:32am

    I’m not sure where the comfort is now… Why, Chi? Why?

  • red bear

    09/08/2016 at 2:21am

    Lesbian feelings intensifies! XD
    This red dude looks like Hellboy’s little brother.

  • Skully

    09/08/2016 at 2:12am


  • Grids

    09/08/2016 at 2:03am

    Well fantastic, the bartender called Jewel by name. Im guessing this Jewel isn’t the offspring of two main characters after all.

    • Aros001

      09/08/2016 at 3:03am

      Well, all that means is that she’s worked there for long enough that he’s learned her name. Still going with the theory that she’s from the future and is trying to prevent some big disaster ahead but had to lay low in the meantime.

      Which is an interesting plot in itself if it was what we came to see. I get wanting to set things up properly but I feel like there’s a better way to do it that doesn’t feel like playing Keep-away with your audience.

      • silvercover

        09/08/2016 at 1:45pm

        the probability of that theory to work has sunken even more, most likely not holding true anymore.

        otherwise, why would the bartender look like he’s related to her? mind you, the bar holds tons of different characters from different races. how much of a coincidence that jewel works under a bartender who looks like he could be her father? there is no reason for the bartender to look similar to her, he could have been anyone else and in any kind of race, maybe even another character from some cartoon that works at a bar.

    • athdlg

      09/08/2016 at 7:17am

      If she’s not the offspring of the two main characters, that’s dumb. At least make it some kind of connection with the two.

    • numa430

      09/08/2016 at 8:06am

      It looks kind of like me….

  • 09/08/2016 at 2:01am

    omg it’s jewel!

  • menamai

    09/08/2016 at 1:55am

    Jewel seems less than thrilled at the prospect of attending to Chi’s every need. But who’s the big guy? Looks like he could be Him’s brother. Maybe Jewel is not the future child of Jr. and Mimi’s after all, but has another role in here.

  • Mr.Duns

    09/08/2016 at 1:52am

    i don’t get it. is jewel canon now? is she just an extra? or is she something more?

    • Crimsoncrow1

      03/19/2017 at 3:24am

      something more i think. In the scripts that Griddles wrote for Jewel, she was supposed to be a time traveler. She was on a mission together with Daniela Phantom to stop certain events in the past that would trigger something very bad with Mimi in the future.

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