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NEK: …Somehow the jingle just wouldn’t sound as good.

  • Magnanimous

    11/24/2017 at 6:27am

    These cameos do feel misplaced

  • boomerlover8

    07/05/2016 at 5:45am

    Of course,I knew the alien was here for a reason. Who wants to bet on the next random character that will show up in this comic?

    • Grids

      07/05/2016 at 7:00pm

      Since aliens are a theme how about Lord Dominator?

      • boomerlover8

        07/06/2016 at 4:43am

        I wouldnt be suprised

        • Nice blossom

          11/06/2016 at 9:46am

          Wait is your name boomer from the rowdyruff boys because if it is I just want you to know that boomer is my favourite rowdyruff

  • 07/03/2016 at 1:25am

    I never watched many of the characters!

  • Horohoro

    06/30/2016 at 4:59pm

    Depending on the next step, this could get a bit more interesting than it already is… Any thoughts?

  • 06/30/2016 at 2:46pm

    Looks like Rook & Kevin are going to play a big part in what Chi has planned

  • nomfish

    06/30/2016 at 6:40am

    Can someone just rundown the story for me a bit? Just like….whats happening so far? Because I reread the story again, and I just cant shake the sudden change once the Harlem Shake page was released. This story is turning into cringe.

    • 06/30/2016 at 9:00am

      The Harlem Shake is the exact moment that GT got a new editor, NEK. Since then the story has been all over the place filled with retcons. It’s hard to explain what is going on just like with Sugar Bits.

      • athdlg

        06/30/2016 at 9:17am

        Really? I thought NEK joined a little earlier than that.
        I know that the Harlem Shake wasn’t planned by Grids at least. His script ended with Abadeer meeting with Him or something very close around there.

        • Grids

          06/30/2016 at 7:20pm

          To be exact the first part of the story NEK oversaw was Mimi’s flashback with Raven, typified by her bath scene (an NEK staple) and the changing of her power from spaceform manipulation to telekinesis (but she was called a telepath, which is quite different). The meeting with Hunson and the stuff about heroes becoming whores was my scripting. There’s an entire comic’s worth of “what happened in the past” material that that particular line alluded to.

          The Harlem Shake meanwhile was the exact moment that NEK asserted his particular flavour of “comedy” upon the world and by the sound of how it was received, it’s been downhill ever since.

          • athdlg

            06/30/2016 at 10:41pm

            At least Harlem Shake is nice.

          • Grids

            07/01/2016 at 1:55am

            And I respect your opinion.

          • nomfish

            07/01/2016 at 4:54am

            I think that’s a good way to describe part of the problem. Is been nothing but cliche comedy, and outdated pop culture references.
            Just…why did they feel it was necessary, they couldn’t have thought is was ok yo just change the flow like that. They must really not give a shit about the people who read this.

          • athdlg

            07/01/2016 at 7:42am

            Haha, they’ve never given any shits about who reads their comics or their opinions, being only Bleedman and NEK anyway. They just go with what they want.

  • menamai

    06/29/2016 at 11:59pm

    For once I’m glad Jewel is made canon for the comic. I’ve always liked the idea of Jr. and Mimi having a child, even if her design left something to be desired (brown hair and red skin? Really?). I hope she’s going to be a part of the plot instead of just a cameo. If she’s from the future and is a part of a bigger plan, I can’t wait for it to unfold. Ben 10 universe characters showing up also seem promising towards that.

    • Grids

      06/30/2016 at 6:34am

      Vastly differing opinions are fun to read.

    • athdlg

      06/30/2016 at 8:36am

      Even though I simply wanted her as a cameo, now that she’s officially a character, hopefully something important will be mentioned with her.
      I’d rather it be not anything big, as in her being the main plot point, but her being a part of a main plot point is fine. If that even makes sense.

    • Lolwutpear_126

      06/30/2016 at 7:14pm

      Well now, Menamai, could you please explain the logic to me that Mimi and Junior’s DAUGHTER is appearing in this story right in the storyline in which Mimi and Junior are still kids, barely teens reaching the early stage of puberty while their supposed daughter is walking around being about the same age as they currently are?

      It’s fucking bullshit. Jorama bought his little incest fluff into the story, nothing more, nothing less.

      • Grids

        06/30/2016 at 8:14pm

        Jewel belongs to Numa not Jorama. Jorama has had some rather nasty self-insert work (heh) but so far he’s kept them away from the story proper.

      • athdlg

        06/30/2016 at 10:41pm

        The logic? Possibly time travel or Jewel is a creature created using Jr. and Mimi’s genes somehow. It’s not like it’s possible for the two to have a natural creation of a child when they were one year old or not even born yet. Make your theories.
        Jewel’s appearance is from Numa’s request. The guy has no say in what she will be doing in the story though, Bleedman got permission to have full artistic control.

        • Grids

          07/01/2016 at 2:22am

          Better yet, post your theories that DON’T have plot-derailing convoluted implications. Make it a challenge…

          • silvercover

            07/01/2016 at 2:48am

            just the same as the maid in sugar bits.

            she’ll have the same name and appearance, maybe some bits of character but ultimately not the same. she’s here just to be a maid, have some interaction with other characters, then not really do much and just disappear.

            yes a waste of time, but id prefer that over her being actually important or having anything to do with the grand scheme of the story. she’s just a side character for now.

          • Grids

            07/01/2016 at 3:07am

            So it’s NOT Jewel but a gratuitous feel-good cameo to appease the nagging of whoever wanted to see ‘her’ drawn by bleed who didn’t wanna pay up for a proper commission, yeah?
            A sort of sympathy cameo. I can dig that.

          • menamai

            07/01/2016 at 11:19am

            The maid in Sugar Bits really had no other role than just being a maid. Jewel is a different story. Judging by the way Chi reacted to her, she might be in for more than a cameo. If she really is Jr. and Mimi’s daughter as originally intended, my guess is she’s from the future and a part of a bigger plan. Maybe the consequences of an impending war are dire enough for somebody to try and do something about it. I’d like that. The vision Mimi had about Aku burning down Grim Castle might tie into it.

          • silvercover

            07/01/2016 at 1:56pm

            you can only say that now because we’re barely 2 pages from when she appeared.

            the maid showed up, had a few pages where it looked like she might have a role in catching lico and ginger being weird and telling it to mammon.

            I mean jewel hasnt really done anything herself to show how relevant she will be. if she is there as a future character to warn them or something, she’d not be here in this restaurant as a maid, or at least she’d tell chi something like an important hint.

            what I see here, or I hope so at least, is just bleed saying “oh in case you guys wanna know about this character, she’s related to mimi”. I mean even in other forms of media not just bleed’s works, there’s those who have cameos from other series that appears, talks to the characters, characters know/figure out him, then he just goes away, or is just relevant for an episode before disappearing.

      • numa430

        07/01/2016 at 9:54am

        lol shut the hell up Pear.
        Jewel is my freaking character and it was originally a cameo but bleed decide to give her a bigger role.
        Don’t like it?
        Then shut the hell up and enjoy what is shown okay?

        • Lolwutpear_126

          07/01/2016 at 3:56pm

          You can put your shut up in a place where the sun doesn’t shine, you prick. I guess your small brain hasn’t even consiered the implications of putting Jewel into the same storyline as Junior and Mimi are currently in, or has it? Bet you just wanted to have five minutes of internet glory all to yourself. Why don’t you do such shit on places which were actually invented for that kind of shit, such as Facebook?

          • athdlg

            07/01/2016 at 6:41pm

            Do such shit on places which were actually invented for? Haha, seems like the old Snafu to me.
            In all seriousness though, Numa wanted it–he got it. It was Bleedman’s choice in all, he’s the real blame since he probably considered on what to do with Jewel in the first place for a while.

          • numa430

            07/01/2016 at 9:18pm

            Haha i don’t know ATHDLG but it was bleed’s choice and as friends i respect him for doing such a kind thing to do for me.
            It was sorta of a small gift from this favor and it turn into a huge development by his choice alone.
            He did it while i was loosing my cats after they died.

  • pelcogo

    06/29/2016 at 3:32am

    hope this means the weird incest stuff got dropped

    • red bear

      06/29/2016 at 8:13am

      Half-incest, and bear in mind that we still don’t know who’s Jr. father, so there is still possibility that it could be Him.

      • athdlg

        06/29/2016 at 8:26am

        It’s still incest.

      • Grids

        06/29/2016 at 3:10pm

        It was never intended to be Him. That says nothing for the asinine plots that have appeared lately so I guess that possibility is back on the table.

        • Lolwutpear_126

          06/29/2016 at 6:57pm

          I’ll still never forgive them for the retcon of Minnie’s character.

          • red bear

            06/29/2016 at 7:05pm

            If my memory serves me right, Bleedman once mentioned that he has kind of weakness for “bitchy” female characters, so my guess was that it’s that, though I (also) didn’t like it. I can live with it if it was Bleedman’s idea, it’s his character, but not if it was someone else idea.

          • athdlg

            06/29/2016 at 7:17pm

            I’m pretty biased towards Minnie, as in I never liked her. So, I’m happy about this change since her personality makes me dislike her less.

            @RED BEAR
            It was most likely Bleedman’s idea and NEK giving an ‘Okay, I agree!’.

          • Grids

            06/30/2016 at 2:52am

            Un-retcons are still possible… with someone more capable in charge

          • athdlg

            06/30/2016 at 3:25am

            Un-retcon a retcon for easier way to make a story for them? Let’s back-peddle even more and rewrite the entire thing.
            New editors should deal with what they got to show they can work with anything thrown at them. NEK already seemed to prove that he couldn’t deal with Minnie’s personality and probably got a request from Bleed to make her pure evil. Changing her back seems just as bad as what NEK did, even if it’s ‘for the sake of the story’.

          • Grids

            06/30/2016 at 6:32am

            NEK has also barely had Minnie say anything since taking over the job. Can’t seem to work with Victorian English.

            A proper in retcon is addressing the revelation that she was evil and then using that to drive the plot forward and demonstrate this actually wasn’t so. It’s not a strike but at least it’ll leave no pins standing on the second ball.

          • athdlg

            06/30/2016 at 8:31am

            It’s a terrible form of trying to show a retcon for a character, sure. I’m only saying, in an opinion, a true ‘capable editor’ would be able to take that terrible retcon and make it something greater than previously planned. Not un-retcon the retcon.

          • menamai

            06/30/2016 at 11:08am

            The retcon was a bad move and utterly unconvincing. I can understand and accept Minnie’s personality change after she became an undead ragdoll. Her decline towards evil can be explained. She sacrificed everything for her brother, even gave up her powers, so seeing him showing way more attention to another girl and rapidly developing said powers because of that could be detrimental to her mental state. But to say she was always like that and managed to hide it from everyone, even Heaven, who should know everything about the soul they’re taking, is stretching it way too far and completely unnecessary. The personality traits of her mother were always in Minnie’s genes, just never showed themselves. I think that could be enough of an explanation, without undermining every good deed she’d ever done.

          • silvercover

            07/01/2016 at 2:39am

            retcons are never good.

            but I would say that the retcon is more on the nergal part, while minnie’s character change was just not properly done to say the least. it makes sense for her to get jealous, as we already saw from HIM heightening her feelings. she also has low self confidence, especially after being just a corpse/puppet now. being mandy’s child would also have an influence even if just a bit.

            the part where the nergal though, saying it was influenced by mandy to be that evil even though he had already gotten transferred to junior, on top of saying she was always that evil. also being buddy like, when it was pretty much only minnie’s influence/words that kept him under control for junior.

            so for me, its less that minnie was retconed, rather the nergal is overblowing it and changing the interpretation by himself.

  • 06/28/2016 at 6:18pm

    What the hell… are they really going to put in the Ben 10 universe? Bad move, bad move. It’s a too expensive universe to include… and then especially including two main characters in a setting that doesn’t make any sense. Oh Glob in the sky, help us

    • Lolwutpear_126

      06/28/2016 at 6:59pm

      This comic is going to hell faster than a rollercoaster without brakes.

      • Sigment

        06/28/2016 at 7:09pm

        “GOING to hell”? It was my understanding it’d been there for a long time now. And no, I’m no trying to be cute about where it takes place.

        -sigh- Well, if Jewel’s gonna be canon, they’ll have to change her origins for it to make sense. Unless they pull some bull, like “She be from da FYUCHAAAAH!”

        • Grids

          06/28/2016 at 8:16pm

          The Jewel thing got ditched as quick as it began, seemingly.

          • Sigment

            06/28/2016 at 9:04pm

            We can only hope. I’m about as eager to see her again as I am to hear Micheal Bay announce Transformers 5.

        • BZDsentai

          06/29/2016 at 1:15am

          I gotta wonder why people seem to keep reading this comic if all they do is complain about it in the comments?
          I mean if you hate it stop reading it and leave it to the people that do enjoy it, it’s not that hard. There are many things I don’t like and I don’t waste my time commenting about how much i dislike it. I just leave it alone and leave it to those who actually like it.

          • red bear

            06/29/2016 at 8:08am

            Because we hope that it can change. Because there are people who worked on this project and they want to see it grows but instead they see how it’s mutating into something less and less recognizable. Because it’s not some evil capitalistic mega-corporation project where our voices mean nothing but “from fans to fans” project and people working on it, theoretically, can listen to us.

          • athdlg

            06/29/2016 at 8:10am

            You seem new to the comment section. If you’re not, sorry to have assumed.
            While I agree about the complaining thing, people are free to fairly criticize or be biased to the comic for what they felt was once great.
            Best thing to do, well, take your own advice and ignore the hate comments. It’s not that hard, right?

          • boomerlover8

            07/05/2016 at 5:37am

            Thats not gonna happen, these people have opinions. They’ll comment even if they don’t give a shot about the comic.

            But I agree with athdlg people be haten’ and it’s best just to ignore them…

  • Grids

    06/28/2016 at 5:58pm

    Schizophrenic storytelling strikes, subsequently.

    • red bear

      06/29/2016 at 8:00am

      There is a fine line between genius and insanity. Someone just happens to got too close to that line. Or may be even crossed it already.
      You need to be a little crazy to stay sane in this busyness.

      • Grids

        06/29/2016 at 3:05pm

        I refer to the fact that as soon as a new element of story is introduced its immediately discarded in favour of focus upon something entirely different.

        There hasn’t been a single consistent focus since Chi came back.
        Its all over the the shop.

        • red bear

          06/29/2016 at 6:58pm

          I got it, I’m actually pretty familiar with psychology, it was just a couple of lame jokes (and also cryptic references).

        • athdlg

          06/29/2016 at 7:30pm

          Schizophrenia is quite a bother, sometimes.

  • Horohoro

    06/28/2016 at 5:11pm

    That might not even be Kevin, it could be his son from that one timeline!

    • athdlg

      06/28/2016 at 5:20pm

      His haircut should be different. But who knows, you might be right.

      • Aros001

        06/28/2016 at 7:20pm

        Wow, I didn’t even think of that, but it would fit the overall story, given that it’s following the next generation of characters.

  • Aros001

    06/28/2016 at 1:04pm

    Alright, so we got someone who likely is the future daughter of Junior and Mimi and we got the child monster form of Kevin 11 with Rook from Ben 10 Omniverse. Assuming the latter two are not just dead and happened to meet, I’m guessing there is some time travel going on here. Given what’s happened in the story already it could be due to the Ghost Zone portals, which have been shown to lead to different eras of history and could explain Rook meeting young Kevin, or Clockwork is involved, maybe sending Jewel back in time to prevent some disaster (or teach her the lesson that problems need to be solved in the present, not the past).

    • athdlg

      06/28/2016 at 4:19pm

      If that’s the case with Jewel, and she really does know Chi, then it’s possible that Chi had something to do with a big event that shouldn’t have happened within the future.

      • Plasman

        06/29/2016 at 1:54am

        Where’s Doc Brown when you need him…
        This could be a future spin-off arc to the comic. It could also tie in when a major event takes place, like you guys are saying…..Shit! missed the lightning strike.

        • athdlg

          06/29/2016 at 8:05am

          That idea is kind of lame since it’s kind of overused. It would probably be somewhat interesting though.

          • menamai

            07/02/2016 at 8:12am

            If Jewel really is a child from the future, I’d be fine with that. Even if the trope is kind of overused – think DBZ and Sailor Moon. But that would bring a new twist to the story that’s getting stagnated. Until now we were only digging in the painful past (without much revealed though), now it’s turn for a painful future – that war Mandy is about to wage can’t bring anything good. Would the story get too convoluted if new elements get introduced while the old ones are still unresolved? Probably. But it all could be explained and connected simultaneously if handled correctly (not sure if Nek and Bleed are able to do that though…).

  • Shadow Knight Destroyer

    06/28/2016 at 12:01pm

    Rook Blonko and Kevin Levin huh, interesting.

  • ZedtheD3ad

    06/28/2016 at 10:55am

    Seriously bleed, your killing me… I mean, you’re taking forever to get to the good part, and what’s up between Minnie and Junior eh?

    • Mavisvermillion

      06/29/2016 at 7:15am

      Yes. I really want this to speed a long. To be honest, Chi doesn’t interest me. All I wanna see is Mandy getting her raged filled hands on Him.

  • BlueLuxning

    06/28/2016 at 8:54am

    My real question is: did I miss a part of Omniverse where Kevin mutated himself using the Omnitrix for like, the umpteenth time? How the hell did he get like that? Or is it not Kevin?

    • Aros001

      06/28/2016 at 12:57pm

      Well here’s my theory: we saw that Mandy has the Omnitrix in her vault, but in its original form. Meaning that when Ben lost it (presumably by being killed with the rest of the Megaville heroes) he was still 10 years old and during that time Kevin was still stuck in his first mutated form. Rook being there does not necessarily screw up the continuity of this theory, as it has not been confirmed yet that he ever met the teenage Ben in this timeline. In fact him and Kevin both being here could just mean that they’re both dead (or got here through a Ghost Zone portal and are going to ask Chi to take them with her so they can go back home).

    • Fist-of-Doom

      06/29/2016 at 11:59pm

      This is a Universe where Aku won. It’s heavily implied Aku killed him Mandy even has the sword. Who knows what happened in this alternate future, maybe Vilgax was less of a problem in this timeline because of Aku’s tyranny, Ben was probably killed while he was very young too in this timeline which means no Plumbers, no healed Kevin and possibly no Good Rook if he’s teamed up with Kevin. At the same Time The Land of Oo also exists with the casual mention of Finn earlier. So after Aku killed Jack Aku seems to have calmed down somewhat and adopted The Lifestyle and traditions of his enemy as respect and settled for ruling a part of the Underworld. Still Aku ruined the universe and the Timeline.

    • Fist-of-Doom

      06/30/2016 at 12:02am

      By “Aku Killed Him” I meant Jack. Aku probably won and Killed Jack so the universe was permanently screwed over Ben is dead, Kevin probably never became good and Rook is probably evil because their is no Ben or the Plumbers.

      • Aros001

        06/30/2016 at 2:21am

        I think Rook could probably still be good, given that the Plumbers existed before Ben was even born.

        • Fist-of-Doom

          07/01/2016 at 1:20am

          Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t The Plumbers disband by the time Ben was 10 and they eventually came back? Also wasn’t Ben an inspiration for Rook personally?

          • Aros001

            07/01/2016 at 1:04pm

            You could be right. It’s been a while since I’ve seen any of the Ben 10 series. Plus Ultimate Alien and Omniverse are a bit of a sore spot for me because I hate it when they give the main character of a show a massive ego.

          • mermaidfan

            07/03/2016 at 2:42pm

            Then why is Rook wearing the Plummer standard issue outfit?

  • athdlg

    06/28/2016 at 8:50am

    Cheese and rice, just let her eat already.
    Apparently no one is a cameo. They were all planned. That’s nice.

    • Aros001

      06/28/2016 at 12:59pm

      It does inspire a little more faith that the writers know what they’re doing and are going to keep the story good and consistent.

      • Sigment

        06/28/2016 at 7:15pm

        I can’t tell if I should be nodding at a sarcastic comment, or laughing at an honest one here.

        • Aros001

          06/28/2016 at 7:18pm

          Don’t worry, I’m not being sarcastic. I do really like this comic and hope it does well.

          • Sigment

            06/28/2016 at 7:28pm

            Okay then. Laughing, it is.

          • athdlg

            06/29/2016 at 8:02am

            Hope is also nice.

          • boomerlover8

            07/05/2016 at 5:49am

            I was kind of cufused on why bleed requested that animation of chi from Sid. And then I remembered this comic. And I realized I haven’t really been checking it .

            I don’t even know why the hell she there

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